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Friends don't let friends use Novell

Friends don't let friends use Novell

At my last job we were a pure MS shop, almost all our servers were Win 2k3 and the rest were Win 2k, we had Office 2003 deployed to every employee (350) within 4 weeks of it's RTM (that's before you could buy it on the shelf).

At my now job, they use a "what worked here" scenario of many systems, and like many places in that boat, they still use Novell.  Even though I'm one of the lucky few to have a new dell, XP (with SP2, even more rare here) and I have even installed the newest Groupwise (from Feb 2005) I can say that from an end user standpoint of this scenario, Novell is the worst experience I've ever had.

Groupwise's 6.5 client feels like it's from 1998 in both features and looks, and I'm not exaggerating.  Ok while Groupwise appears to have some of today's (ex: Outlook's) features such as email offline caching it barely works, it's clunky and not slick to setup.

But why I'm really blogging is Groupwise has the dumbest spell checker I've ever seen.  First, it spell checks the previous emails in an email reply, it's not smart enough to ignore the name fields of these prev emails so it always highlights those nor does it know to ignore urls!!!!  But what really blows my mind is that Novell hasn't even tried to customize the dictionary file, some of the most obvious words are not in there, just today Groupwise thought MP3 and www.novell.com were spelling mistakes!!!  And while I can't recall it exactly, last week one of the MS Office names weren't in the dictionary (maybe it was Excel).

While I know Novell is coming out with a vastly improved client (I've seen the pics and while the app's content looks great, the interface looks really over simplified and silly, and in a bad way).  So while I will jump to the new version asap, I have mixed hopes for it.

The only reason I don't swith to Outlook is because Outlook isn't compatible with Groupwise's calendar stuff, otherwise there would be no thought about the issue.

One more thing I'd like to point out, there's no way to schedule a re-occuring appointments in Groupwise, you have to manual set the date range, and then each date gets a seperate email sent to yourself, and you have to manually approve each individual email.  So god forbid you want to put a monthly meeting in your calendar!

And don't even get me started about Novell as a file server, especially in slow/unreliable networks.  Maybe it's our company's fault for still using IPX which has a lot of overhead (so much that if you had an ISDN to a remote office, you HAVE to install a firewall to block most types of IPX traffic or the line would get flooded with all overhead).

Friends don't let friends use Novell.

posted on Saturday, May 14, 2005 6:01 PM by travisowens

# @ Tuesday, May 03, 2005 3:16 PM

I guess I'm lucky that I've never had to work on anything besides MS stuff (at least, not since it was all DOS anyway). It's so easy to pick on the big guy, but I love my Outlook.

epiNole

# @ Friday, May 06, 2005 1:33 PM

Travis...you're an idiot, anyone who knows networking knows IPX is less chatty than IP, and Novell is clearly a stronger OS (see virus and Blue Screen). Stick with OUTLOOK and your 5 5's, i'll keep ny 5 9's thankyou.

travisnot

# @ Friday, May 06, 2005 1:35 PM

Also....my spell checker is in my brain, maybe you need to look at a dictionary...

travisnot

# @ Friday, May 06, 2005 5:53 PM

Well if you want to split hairs travisnot, IPX/SPX packets are smaller than TCP/IP packets but, IPX/SPX sends many more packets, and "are you alive?" packets where as TCP/IP only sends packets when actual data is being requested or sent. In the long run, IPX/SPX wastes more bandwidth. I don't know if I should be flattered or insulted that I have an anti-fan. But despite, if you're going to bash on me, at least make it english, I can't even translate this "Stick with OUTLOOK and your 5 5's, i'll keep ny 5 9's thankyou."

travisowens

# @ Friday, May 06, 2005 7:16 PM

who has time to think of these things, guess Im the odd ball, I actually have a life and do stuff that is cool

travisnot

# @ Friday, May 06, 2005 7:18 PM

You must really like to show your ignorance. TCP/IP only sends packets when actual data is being requested or sent? Did you ever hear of Broadcasts, or multicasts? The reason that that IP is used for internet traffic is because the actual packets are smaller you retard. By the way, does your employer know you spend your time bad mouthing their network on their time? The 5 5's is a reference to reliabality ie: 55.555% uptime vs 99.9999999%. Anybody who has ever been responsible for Service Level Agrrements understands that. But I guess someone who just creates cartoon web pages wouldn't have a clue anyhow. By the way, if you ever used an outlook client against my Groupwise Post Office I would cut your connection to the network. Dumb F%$ks who open my network to Microsoft vulnerabilities doesn't deserve to any where near my network. So, go stick your nose farther up Bill Gate's butt and absord his marketing hype.

travisnot

# @ Friday, May 06, 2005 7:36 PM

You may also want to read networking for dummies, or networking essentials before posting facts that have no truth to them, you idiot

travisnot

# @ Monday, May 09, 2005 4:11 PM

My dear misguided Travis. Some addl. comments. Regarding Groupwise not finding the url www.novell.com, I defy you to find any urls in webster's dictionary. A url is NOT a word. You appear to be the IT equivilent of a Rush Limbaugh 'ditto head', incapable of independent thought and gullable to the nth degree. I have seen Netware boxes that have been up for 300, 400 days or more. Say the same for microsoft. The NT line of OS's is based on IBM's LanManager which, if you do some research, will find Big Blue couldn't give away.

travisnot

# @ Friday, May 13, 2005 10:27 PM

travisnot, If you're going to bash at my post at least take the time to read it. No, I don't expect any dictionary (book or file) to contain a single url, my point was Novell's spell checker is so poorly written it's not smart enough to skip over urls or email addresses and hence considers them spelling mistakes. And if their programmers are that poor at coding, they could have at least provided a work around by adding common (or at least their own) urls into the dictionary file. In fact the Groupwise spell checker is the worst spell checking I've used in the past 10yrs. IT has no options besides ON or OFF. It's not smart enough to skip reply text in an email, it's not smart enough to skip over people's names in the reply to field. Heck it's only by luck it doesn't complain about signatures and that's only because the signature is inserted AFTER the spell check, they just got lucky that time. And I'm not even getting into all the other short commings of Groupwise, this is just 1 of many poorly implimented features. It's 2005, other email programs have been offering these features for almost 10 years!!!!!!

travisowens

# @ Friday, May 13, 2005 10:30 PM

About the uptime of Novell vs Microsoft..... Ever since Windows Server 2003, which is almost 2 years old now, Windows has been extremely stable, in fact I would even say this is true of Windows 2000, which has now been out 5 years. Ok, so NT4 sucked, I won't defend it, back when NT4 was the only Microsoft server solution I was a Unix admin, why, because it was a good solution. Now I'm a Microsoft fan, why, because they have been a good (possibly the best) solution for many years now. Now-a-days the only reason Windows can't achieve 1 year+ uptimes is because some security updates require a reboot. If Novell was as over scrutinized as Windows guess what, you'd have just as many, if not more security patches for Novell. Combined with my earlier comment that Novell vastly lacks features, and more features means more security doles.

travisowens

# @ Saturday, May 14, 2005 3:04 AM

Wow....Travis wars!

Ogman


 
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